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Does god exist? A conversation with a dear friend.
This is a conversation I had with a dear friend of mine, where we indulged deep into the basic questions of faith and creation, after we were done chatting, I came to realize that we have covered some very fundamental questions and I personally felt enlightened, and then I thought, hey maybe if someone else read this too they will benefit and feel the same amazing serene feeling that I felt, so I hope it benefits you.
The writing in normal font are my friend’s questions, the Bold writings are my answers. Enjoy.
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How do we know? Whether the soul exists?
Did you happen to see signs in your life that prove God’s existence and that He is there for you?
Or are we a combination of atoms and chemical reactions bounded to our bodies?
Belief gives a sense of relief, but how can a person not be certain and just believe?
I’m becoming an agnostic
You see this is the problem.
Humans
Very sensitive and gullible
If everything goes according to our wants and needs
We say that God “is on our side” so definitely He exists and He is out there watching
Once our circumstances do not go as we wish
We say what the hell “why would god allow such a thing to happen”
Bro
Neither you, nor me, nor people after 1000 years can define precisely what God is
They can only describe experiences that happen to them from time to time
And most of those experiences will make sense only to them
Once they try to share those experiences with others… the meaning fades… and the individual himself starts doubting what he saw
I agree but I’m not going through problems to be agnostic, actually I’m trying to find out about God
Signs
Death might be a way to convince people there is an afterlife so that people won’t really worry about death
And that we have a soul
Think about it this way
Imagine that we are in a computer simulation
Ok
Imagine that you are a character in a game
Now you as a player, you might finish the game in 3 hours
Which is not a long time
But
To the character
Those 3 hours are equivalent to 80 years
In his eyes, in his perception
Ok…
There are many players playing that same character right?
Yes
So the same character goes through the same story
But in a different way
This analogy can be related to our lives
Our same lives are happening elsewhere
We call it
Parallel Universes
What’s that parallel universes?
I exist somewhere else
But instead of choosing to drink coffee today
I chose to drink tea
And my life heads in a different direction
Imagine how many lives we have
And in how many other places we exist
This vast infinite number of possibilities
This huge universe
Our minds can in no way comprehend how our creator looks like
When you are in your garden
Do you see how an ant crawls up your body?
Does the ant have any idea that he can die instantly by a flick from your finger?
If the ant KNEW you
It would in no way dare to come near you
Because naturally creatures have survival instincts
The fact that the ant crawled up your jeans is a proof that it is not aware that you can kill it in an instant
Similarly
We climb on God’s jeans everyday
And He chooses whether to put us down gently
Or to crush us with a flick of a finger
The question is
Listen listen
I’ll make your life more complicated 🙂
Ok so that’s your elaboration about the existence of Allah
The question is…
Are there multiple gods? (Given the analogy of ants and humans)
Imagine that our Gods
Have Gods
Who have Gods
Who have Gods
And Imagine that our Gods don’t know who created them
So the same question lives
What’s your point here
My point here is about the vastness
The greatness
The infinity
Yeah, well I reached to some sort of understanding that life seems to be infinite but not us
You trying to answer the question of God is equivalent to trying to put alllllllllll of history’s discoveries and all of future discoveries down into one single word
It’s not possible
You can find a glitch in the matrix
But still you can’t define what caused the glitch
Look
You don’t need to worry yourself about philosophical questions and how we were created
All you need from this life is to find your purpose
A flower’s sole purpose is to blossom
It is the purpose
That makes you see His face
When your tears fall down because you know that there is somethings that you need to do
You cry and say “I must do that before I die
How can a life that is easy for others is hard for us seem to be the purpose? The belief in the soul after death keeps or makes a person more stable, more invincible and more content
Exactly
That is why when you find your purpose, you leave this place with a smile
Knowing that you have accomplished your mission
Therefore you will definitely be kept in a better place after death
Imagine the Gods saying… Ohhh you know who did a good job? This guy… Lets promote him
.How do we know?
How do you know that you are hungry?
And you need to put a sandwich in your mouth
You just know it
When you find your purpose
Things happen in your life
Automatically you know what you should do next
Yes, but soul and afterlife been given by religion not by intuition same as food and food is something experienced death is not.
I experience death maybe twice a day
I see death
How?
I live it
I used to get so scared of death
The game over
The thought of Me ending
Death is inevitable
But when you have a purpose
You get so excited about death
You can’t wait to see the reward of achieving your purpose
How is purpose suiting you to be the reason behind your excitement of death and it’s reward. Does the purpose disclose to you the secret of your reward after death?
Think of it this way
You come to me and tell me that you have a secret prize for me.. it is worth 1 billion Dinars… BUT I don’t know whether it’s cash or a land or an island or a super private jet
All I know that it is worth 1 billion dinars
So basically I know that it is worth a lot!
But I don’t know what is it exactly
It could be nothing, i.e we lose our senses and consciousness and we vanquish. We won’t know then if we ever existed as well. Like they say, life is a dream and we are the imaginations of ourselves
You see this is the awesome part
Look around you
Give me the name of ONE object near you that “vanquishes”
Everything
Give me a name
Of an object
That you see
A table
How does a table vanquish
Explain
Gets old, loses stability, recycled maybe, burnt maybe
Awesome!
So the table burns
Looses its shape
Part of it transforms to ash
Part of it transforms to gas
Notice the word TRANSFORM
It doesn’t vanquish
It transforms
Yes, and we will transform to dust?
Don’t think of it this way
We are focusing here on our consciousness
What happens to our consciousness
What if consciousness is it? And soul is a metaphor to it?
Didn’t get you
Soul is a metaphor for the consciousness in your head and when you die it shuts down. Just like a computer. I’m just guessing
When a computer shuts down
The data is still in the Hard Drives
The data doesn’t vanquish
And guess what
Even when you DELETE data from the Hard Drive… you can still recover it with special programs
🙂
Nothing vanquishes in this life or in this universe
First Law of Thermodynamics
Matter cannot be created nor destroyed
It simply changes form
Hmmm
Now you kind of got me to open up my head
Changed form… in the sense of?
It changes from one thing to another
It doesn’t disappear
Or vanquish
So when we die
Our consciousness doesn’t just disappear or vanish
It goes somewhere else or it changes to something else
What does it change to exactly?
That is the limit of our minds
Like what? Goes to another human being?
Maybe?
Maybe it reunites with God
When you pray do you feel something or is it because you make believe that you feel something or maybe because you’ve been taught something?
Maybe this limited consciousness we have is a part of the infinite consciousness we call God
Yes, agreed
I pray because maybe the God who’s jeans I’m crawling upon… can only understand me by my خشوع (reverence)
Maybe he doesn’t get my worldly desires and requests
My feeble human tongue
But he understands my خشوع (reverence)
So maybe I can get his favor by prayer
Just maybe
And that small MAYBE is enough reason for me to pray
Wow man. You kept all theist scholars in your pocket with these words
You made me speechless
I sat with a shaikh btw, this shaikh made me live a fairy tale and 1 hour after, I felt like I was deceived
hehehehe
I am still in doubt if we have a soul though in a way, because maybe we are just like cars
Do you think you need to elaborate more or shall I scroll up to your elaboration?
Well bro I don’t know why are you stuck with the matter of the soul and how it can be integrated with the body… my body is the soul and my consciousness is the soul and my thoughts are my soul this universe springs from the soul
I remember once a Sufi Master sat and explained to me about the soul
He said
Go ahead
Look at your jacket
I love Sufis
Ok
Can your jacket move without you moving?
The jacket is alive
It’s moving
Because you are wearing it
Similarly your body is being moved by your soul
Like a car
Your soul is driving your body
What about the joints, the blood the lungs the whole function that keeps your body active?
Like you said
Those are the parts of the engine
And the driver is your soul
The matter of the soul bro is a complex argument… the confusion begins when we try to think of it as a small part of our individual bodies
The way I see it
Everything springs from the soul
The soul is in the air too
When the Quran said Allahu noor al samawat wal ardh
Scientists have recently confirmed the existence of the Higgs field, and the god particle – The Higgs Bozon
The soul is everywhere
God is everywhere.